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Comments 1 to 8 of 8 in the thread "Customs for Atlantic Aviation has moved" (Teterboro Airport):

!TEB 05/023 TEB SVC CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION OPS RELOCATED FROM

HANGAR 3 TO HANGAR 1

CREATED: 10 May 2012 19:30:00

SOURCE: KISPYFYX

Since the customs move to Hangar 1, there is now a $200 ramp fee for customs clearance, even for small private planes. It's not clear whether it's Atlantic charging the fee. Atlantic ramp staff said that someone is working to get the fee reduced or removed for small planes -- it's really designed for bizjets -- and that a lot of people have been caught by surprise and angry about it.

I sent a note to Atlantic, and their regional manager, Joe Fazio, got back to me within the hour. They will refund the $200 customs handling fee from my last visit, and are working to come up with an arrangement more suitable for small, single-engine aircraft (they don't see very many of them, unfortunately). I recommend that anyone planning to clear customs at TEB call first to confirm the fee structure, but hopefully, this problem will soon disappear. In the meantime, I'll just plan an extra customs stop at Massena or Watertown on my way down.

I do recommend Atlantic @ TEB: aside from this one issue, they've provided excellent service to me and my family over the years on our visits to NYC, and even though their gas is expensive, it doesn't add up to all that much of a difference for, say, 22 gallons in a small plane. As for TEB itself, as long as you can depart VFR, tower will almost always let a small plane cut in ahead of the lineup -- yesterday morning, I barely had time to put on my brakes at the hold-short line before I was cleared for takeoff ahead of several bizjets. An IFR departure will be another story, but that's true of any NYC-area airport, because the clearance has to come from NY Approach (I once spent 25 minutes idling at Republic waiting for my IFR release).

Reply to @david: The other option is to use Jet Aviation at the south end of the airport. There is a Customs office right next to their building. I have been using them for the past few years until I starting working for another company who used Atlantic. But now they have switched to Jet as well since Customs moved to the new location. This is because fueling is not allowed on the Customs ramp and that can delay us. As well, at Jet, it is just a quick walk to the FBO so our passengers can be in the car quicker than at Atlantic. Check out the fees and prices but Jet might be the solution you are looking for.

Reply to @prattsoplenty: thanks for the tip. When I first started using TEB a few years ago, I ruled out Jet for some reason (high fees? no 100LL? don't remember). I'll take another look. I am happy with Atlantic's quick response, though.

Reply to @david: Jet Aviation charges a ramp fee, for a single-engine Piper, $170 which can be waived if you purchase 40 gallons of 100LL (today's price was $9.34/gallon). So glad somebody else pays for my fuel!

Reply to @prattsoplenty: If I put 40 gallons of fuel in a Warrior, I'd think I was doing a piss poor job of fuel management. Maybe people who do a lot more flying than I do like to get down that low, but I don't.

Reply to @ptomblin: 8 gallons usable (10 total) in a Warrior is almost double the minimum day VFR reserve even at 75% power and ROP. Personally, I normally land at TEB with about 26 gal usable (28 total), but that's because I'm flying alone and take off from Ottawa with full tanks. When I fly to NYC with my whole family this summer, I'm going to have to keep the tanks a lot lower for W&B, and I can see touching down in TEB with only 10-12 gal usable if it's good VFR. IFR or night VFR is a different story, of course, as is flight over mostly-uninhabited terrain like Northern Quebec -- I like to land with 2 hours in the tanks in those situations.

As you know from your Archer time, another advantage of the Cherokee line is that there's no "both" fuel switch. My rule (which, fortunately, I've never had to invoke) is that if I ever do unexpectedly run one tank dry, I will treat it as an emergency -- something went wrong with my fuel system or my calculations -- and I will use the other tank only to make a precautionary landing at the nearest airport (or on a road or field if there's no airport within 15 minutes). A Cessna's "both" position doesn't give you that kind of warning: when you're dry, you're dry.

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