Airport comments for South Australia, Australia

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re: Watching the discussion

Oh by the way, I did respect the views on this site and did in my posting some time back ask that any issues relating to any problems etc in regard to the tenant of Aldinga Aviation, Adelaide Biplanes, should address these problems with our new progressive board.

I did ask that we should all put this to rest as the subject had been flogged to death. I wonder what inspired an individual with such a obvious poisoned twisted mind to incorrect assume and post such a mentally unbalanced tirade? Whether it be against me or not.

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re: Watching the discussion

Well well well. So some spineless creature who does not have the testicular fortitude is maybe pointing a finger at me, Chris Wise.

I did identify myself on this site and had my say, but it seems like we now have someone who incorrectly assumes (Never assume as it makes a ASS out U and ME )'

Now put yourself in Gaylene's shoes who may have instigated this post.

Everyone, And I mean everyone gave Martyn and Gaylene and Bonnie all the support in the world. My wife and I felt for them in a big way.

We lost our son last year, but we are not taking this out on anybody else.

And here lies the nucleus of the problem.

Gaylene has engaged in a vendetta againts aviators in Australia who she thinks have done wrong. She has attempted to dob aviators in at events other than at Aldinga.

THe classic was when she, with her husband present, ran to CASA because she had heard stories about the antics of some pilots at a gathering at Mick and Di's Skypark at Port Lincoln.

When CASA advised her that it was a private show and that they could not attend these events unless invited, she asked why they could not hide in the tress and wach what was going on.

So, this had nothing to do with them. But this is only one inc incident of dobbing.

This is not the Australian way of doing things, one talks to the alleged offender first IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

Then Mr Smith tells me that the Australians have a terrible flying culture and when asked about it, He says that he is going to change it, This from a POM who had only recently arrived in Australia.

Look, at the end of the day, we all do sympathize with the Smiths, but they cannot take what happened to them out on the whole industry.

This is why, not just me, but many others in the flying fraternity have had enough of their dobbing arrogant attitude.

Read the posts, quite obviously the author of the last post has a fixation that I am the author of then. WRONG

One must remember that the Smiths thru the first stones and naturally some people will throw a stone back and they should learn to take the return flack that they so happily dish out.

I did post an article asking that all of this be put to rest, but if this snake in the grass wishes to continue with the trash, then please, identify yourself if you have the courage and BRING IT ON.

So if you are referring to me and my accurate opinions and assumptions of the Smiths which is quite obviously shared by many others, then instead of making accusations without identifying yourself and stand up and be accounted for, or are you also going to be another anonymous gutless dobber.

Now, If you are indeed referring to me, I am not bigoted and nor do I have a toxic mind. Only towards those who see fit to unjustifiably harm me or my mates, then it becomes more that toxic, it becomes very angry.

So what now Ms anonymous.

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Refuel here

Good refueling at YPAG. Stretch and have your own sandwich. No food available on the field.

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Overnight stay

Reefueled eqch way and stayed overnight when heading back west. Good stop off before taking the trip west back across the Nullabor.

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Refueled here

Stopped to refuel due to Forrest being out of fuel. Take care if there has been recent rain. The strip as some low spots. You will see the wet spots of there are weeds growing over the strip.

I hope they have replaced their refueling ladder. It is a death trap.

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Strip rough as guts August 2012

Rabbit holes everywhere messing up what is a great airport and nice place to visit

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CTAF

The CTAF is 128.0

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height above sea level

height 300ft

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re:Chris Wise

Well, this is going to be interesting, so sit back, take a breath and let's see where this ends up.

It is now after 17.00 hrs and I write this after deliberation re a phone call that I received at about lunch time about this site with much glee on the other end of the phone.

So, my name is Chris Wise and I operate out of Aldinga.

I have posted one article on this site where I did say that we should leave this all alone and enough said.

Now to the nitty gritties and let's get in the open.

I do not get on with the operators of Adelaide Bi Planes and they do not get on with me. Nor do I particularly wish to get on with them.

It is a well recognized fact within the aviation scene around South Australia, and indeed interstate by some, that they have dobbed others in to CASA without any prior "sorting it out" with what they perceive to be wrong with the alleged offender.

And yes, they did attempt to dob the delightful people, Mick and Di Hart from Port Lincoln and as am led to believe with great authority, told CASA to hide in trees and observe what goes on at the Hart's Sky Park. Not nice. Yes they did dob young Pat Crowther without any sorting it out. i.e Mate please do not come back here and do that sort of flying end of story. No grief for the Crowther family.

Yes they did, as I am reliably informed, dob me in for aerobatics below 3000 feet but saw their behind as they were unaware of the fact that I have a endorsement to 1500 feet.

Yes they did abuse some for what they perceived to be a beat up when a guy did a go around. Yes when Mr Smith came to Australia form England, they did say that our Australian flying culture is crap and that they were going to change it and yes they are, not in the manner that blends in with our delightful culture.

So I have been vocal about this in the past to the extent that the board of Aldinga Aviation had their solicitor write to me about my comments which were in no way directed to the company, but Adelaide Bi Planes.

It is my opinion that in the past some of the directors on the board of Aldinga Aviation may have been protecting them.

And of course, I am led to believe that the list goes on.

However. There has been enough bulldust posted on this site and maybe with a bit of luck Adelaide Bi Planes at Aldinga may have come to realize that the Aviators in Australia do not appreciate people going to CASA rather that sort it out. They may also finally realized that their holier than thou attitude is not wanted.

So I would suggest that if the Mob at Adelaide Biplanes have an issue with someone, then they should go to that person and address the perceived problem and if required and warranted tell the person that they are running a flying school and do not appreciate that behavior as it sets a bad example wha wha wha, They would command far more respect.

Double standards. Yes there are as any honest aviator flying out of Aldinga will tell you. I have not been there for a while so that may have changed, But not according to the post re aerobatics below 3000ft with paying passengers.

Sadly Aldinga HAS got a reputation as a place to avoid. How do I know this. I know locals and people interstate who are of the opinion that the pleasure of participating in fly ins to Aldinga is no longer a pleasure as one never knows if one will be abused or Dobbed in.

So now. Aldinga Aviation have just recently had a change within the board and we as shareholders now believe that we have a board that is there for the shareholders, not just the interest's of a privileged few who could do no wrong.

This board, now comprises of progressive and positive board members who without doubt wish to act in the best interests of the shareholders as a whole and to act for the best interests in the shareholders aerodrome, Aldinga, and to move forward constructively and fairly.

With this in mind, should there be anyone who in the future is not happy with the attitude of the tenants of the airfield, Adelaide Biplanes, then I would request;

(1) All the comments on this site now be done with. Everyone has clearly had their say and there is no more to be said.

(2) If there are any further incidents whereby aviators who operate at Aldinga or who fly in to Aldinga, that may occur between them and Adelaide Biplanes which is not cosha, then please in the 1st instance for all to act as sensible grown ups and solve the problem amongst themselves without anyone running to CASA.

(3) Should there be any occasions where somebody considers that they have been victimized or dobed in or any such like by the tenants, I would urge those people to write to our board who will, I can assure you, take the middle road and adjudicate fairly.

This keeps it all nice and tidy and with a bit of luck we can all move forward in a friendly progressive manner. (Except for Adelaide Biplanes and myself) They leave me and my mates alone, I leave them alone.

I read the article about the anonymity of the internet and decided to show my testicular fortitude and have my say and to me, that's the end of it. Let's move on and see what happens.

The horse has been flogged to death.

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re: Local Pilot

Isn't the internet also just great to be able to expose those who anonymously dob people in to the authorities without any due thought to the hurt and anguish that they cause by such low un Australian attitudes that they extend toward fellow aviators.

Nothing bigoted or small minded about that. Oh and by the way, who is hiding behind anonymity?

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re: Fier beware

That's the Australian way cobber. Give people a fair go awright.

These people were welcomed to Australia, and remember they choose to come here, we did not ask them, and we gave them the biggest fair go that they could wish for.

Then they attack our flying culture, dob fliers in to CASA but have the attitude do as we say, not do as we do.

Two standards cobber. No fair go cobber.

Seems to me where there is smoke there is a fire and there sure as hell is plenty of smoke.

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re: Local Pilot

What a pity the internet allows the small minded, bigoted nasty, whinging people of the world to voice this purile trite and hide behind anonymity.

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re: Gawler Aerodrome

This is rubbish! There is a strong recreational and VH component to the Adelaide Soaring Club which now has a growing powered element. There is a new clubhouse and briefing room and visitors are certainly welcome. There can be a lot of traffic with gliders and tug aircraft so you need to listen to your wireless and follow the usual rules. There can also be several Jabirus in the circuit on training days - but this just means you will have someone to talk to if you call in. John Couper-Smartt

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Local Pilot

How about you post your name? (About 45 years of flying Hey. Should be able to see the light by now)

Maybe then you could be enlightened about the dobbing in, hide in the trees and watch what others do.

None of which has anything to do with them as these events and venues took place at other airfields and private properties. None of Smiths business, so why do they run to CASA?

And when something does take place at Aldinga, they have not got the common decency to approach the person in the first instance and sort it out. Nope, they have a hot line to CASA.

How un Australian is that.

Smith, who is not endorsed for aerobatics below 3000' is often observed conducting Aerobatics at about 1200 to 1500, with a paying passenger on board, but does anybody dob him in? Nope.

Saturday 21/04/2012 between 10.30 and 1100 hrs he was observed by others conducting aerobatic manoeuvres at below 3000', about 1500' in the Tiger Moth with a paying passenger. But will we phone CASA? Not on your life.

One never phones CASA even if it is Smith.

Double Standards.

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Far out!

Wow.... I trained at 4 flying schools and with about 6 different trainers before ending up at Bi-Planes and I certainly have no hesitation in recommending them. The people are just sooo nice and the trainers have been the best. I understand that you cant please all the people, all of the time but in the time I have been there, they have certainly pleased me. I certainly havent seen double standards... only a professional standard from the owners down.

Jamie

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re: Fier beware

well flyer beware I seem to remember the Australian way is to give people a fair go - not attack them. Oh well, I suppose its ok as long as you know who you are.

Cooee Cobber

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re: A Local Pilot

I feel very sorry for you, I have decided to fly there because of the high standard of airmanship and quality of the flying offered by the flying school. Do not try to say I don't know what I am talking about, I have been around aviation since 1966. I would suggest you take a good hard look at yourself and not be too one eyed about what you see. As for the story about Martyn Smith, you should really get the true story and not make it up from bits and pieces, your real name in the comment would add some credibility to an otherwise sad made up story.

Happy to fly there

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A Local Pilot

Hahaha Hey β€œWhat The?”, love it – how true, after all just before a commercial flight Martyn Smith collapsed (for the second time) with heart failure, a few weeks later he is back in the air with chest full of electronics (the bionic man) again taking commercial flight, his double standards in flying safety are interesting, where money is involved, its one rule where anyone else is involved its another and I don’t get the dobbing thing???? I reckon they don’t have the guts to say anything to anyone and so just scurry away to CASA (they must have a hot line). I think these people are mental and should take a VIP lawn mowing contract and stay away from aviation.

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What the?

>>Wow what an extremely racist comment. About time some of you grew up a bit dont you think?????

I just read all this stuff, where are the 'racist comments', yes there were plenty of typical Oz comments but that how we speak here???? I am confused.

Either way I have met these people and they are just the most wonderful people (flying school/coffee shop) UNTIL THEY BURN YOU and they will (in a whim). I have seen these people demonstrate some of the worst airmanship I have ever seen by professional pilots, ground collisions and near misses on the ground, a complete failure to communicate their intentions on the radio and to respond to any call I have ever made them. This is not about Race its about double standards, poor airmanship and dobbing people in (and plenty of times when they were not present and on un-factual hearsay). Yes there people are wonderful until they burn you that is why people are expressing their objections on this site. Do I avoid flying to YADG? Yes, Do I trust these people? NO, would send anyone I know to learn to fly there? NO

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response to articles

Sorry, I noticed that my article came up as flier beware.

That is not me, I was responding to the articles and did not realize that I had to enter a name in the subject box.

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re: Flier beware

Wow what an extremely racist comment. About time some of you grew up a bit dont you think?????

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My Experience

From my point of view all these comments are correct. I flew in from Cessnock with my wife just under a year ago for 14 days holiday based in McLaren Vale (beautiful wines and country), we also did some local flying including a 2 day trip to Kangaroo Island (must see). Yes there was certainly some chaos in the circuit and I experienced poor / non-existent communications with other aircraft, it is certainly not the safest place I have flown to, but it was manageable with a diligent lookout. The little shop/ flying school had good food; the people were friendly and helpful. However over the period of our stay, we met several local pilots, some based at Aldinga and other’s from the surrounding areas and Kangaroo Island, from which we gained several perspectives and stories. Too many consistent stories from different pilots to just ignore as the odd disgruntled pilot, not everyone had a bad word to say about the flying school operators however about 80% of the pilots we met were of the same general opinion that these people cannot be trusted and have double standards. Several of the pilots I met had been approached or fined by CASA for incidents dobbed in by the flying school operators without every talking to them first (I don’t understand this, in Cessnock if you do something silly or wrong usually one of the instructor or experienced pilots will have a word in your ear and leave it at that, anyway that’s how we roll in NSW). Overall we had great experience in SA however the stories did make me very wary of the flying school operators.

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By the way

Just read the comment about cowboy flying.

The only dangerous flying that takes place at Aldinga is by the operators themselves.

Terrible circuit procedures and a RECORDED number of near misses due to their "Can do no wrong attitude"

The lady who cannot fly but who runs the place and berates and looks to persecute those that she perceives to have done something wrong, is of the opinion, in her one eyed view, that they the operators are SSSSOOoooo so safe, but all the others that dare fly in there are nowhere near as safe as they are.

For one who cannot even fly, her attitude and interference with real aviators is woeful and leaves an awful lot to be desired.

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Flier beware

If you intend to fly into Aldinga.

Be so at your own risk of;

(1) Bad circuit manners and procedures.

(2) Bad manners and the risk of being abused for something that the operators do not like.

(3) Highest avgas prices. Higher than Goolwa and other aerodromes who pay cartage where Aldinga do not. Rip off prices.

(4) Do something wrong, and you will not be approached to "Sort it out and clear the air" You can expect a call from CASA.

Makes one wonder why they are in the aviation business when the act like self appointed industry regulators and policeman.

Bad attitude toward the Australian aviators and Australian flying culture.

Should go back to the UK where they came from and practice their pedantic crappy outlook on their own countrymen.

Come to Australia and try and tell Australians how it should be done. Huh. we have a proud aviation history.

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The shafting airport

The good blog on this site is quite obviously posted by the operators of Aldinga.

Note the continued reference to coffee, the wonderful safe place to fly.

At Adinga, there are 2 rules, one for them and one for others. Do as they say and not as they do.

Now I am told of a near miss because they are doing left and right circuits without any notification in the ERSA.

Fly there at your own risk.

If one has money to spend at Aldinga, then you are great.

There are many locals who will not go near the joint. Have been abused for no reason, reported for no reason and been rude to for no reason.

How about the people at Aldinga attempting to dob the people in at a Port Lincoln fly in when they were not even there. Told CASA to hide in the tress and spy on these great people at PLC.

Yeah nice people.

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Great alternative to Port Augusta or Whyalla

We always use Port Pirie in preference to the above- easy to get fuel and friendly. Second the comment below- the airport manager is a really great guy.

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Quality airfield

Aldinga airfield has gone ahead in leaps and bounds for the past 7 years.

As a result of this intelligent development it is hard to beat in this region.

A pleasant cafe and quality flying school with a focus on safe flying in up to date equipment.

Unfortunately the zero tolerance of seat of the pants and ill disciplined "cowboy" flying has encouraged it's share of detractors. I suspect that the individual responsible for all of the childish and puerile comments on this page is one of those sad types who would rather kill someone than admit that he was wrong. It is the disappointing aspect of free speech.

Try Aldinga for yourself.

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whow

I have stumbled across this site and fail to understand the comments of some.

No one, but no one expects avgas for nothing. But to be charged more per litre than even Goolwa who I can assure you pay cartage to get the avgas to Goolwa and yet charge less than Aldinga who pay NO CARTAGE AT ALL.

To fly into Aldinga is risky as yes, there are 3 runways in operation at the same time which is totally uncalled for and unless one is familiar with the procedures, it is downright dangerous and totally uncalled for.

The guy from Tassie must have had a fist full of dollars as that is about the only thing that they worship. No money to spend with us, do not waste our time.

I can assure you that I have dealt with customers all my life and for the comments posted by some guy regarding the person who had a mechanical workshop all his life must now be employed by the helpful and nice lady.

Who in their right mind would wish to live near Aldinga aerodrome that now seems to be Basterdized by the sound of continuous buzzing of aircraft in all directions flying over the neighbors homes.

And then there is now a commercial operation operating large aircraft who I believe fly so low with no regard or consideration of the neiboring homes and properties.

Sorry, Aldinga is staffed by rude, arrogant, self opinionated, inconsiderate people who have a total disregard for Australians and are instigating some bad flying practice, and dangerous.

Nope, I stay away from Aldinga. There are friendlier places nearby who are friendlier and have visitors and aviators interests at heart without the aim of fleecing one.

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close to wineries

I landed here once, took bikes and cycled the wineries, stayed overnight in a B&B

Accom people will pick u up fm airport too.

Strip is short bit of bitumen will gravell extn

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YMBD

Top spot. Fuel, coffee,toilets, no landing fees. Only 5 mins flight from spectacular scenery of the mighty Murray River.

Colin

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Great spot to visit

Good restaurants, hotels in town. Excellent airport facilities including servicing by Carl at Tuna Aviation. Short taxi trip to town. You will need a valid ASIC as it's a RPT airport. Only 1.5 hrs from Adelaide and great views along the way.

Colin

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CHEESE FACTORY RESTAURANT

bloody fantastic burgers and excellent hospitality and a short walk from the airstrip. Will definitely be back.

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re: Dobber

Right,,,,

Now tell the truth cause I dont believe anyone would "ping you to CASA" for performing a go around.

Was the correct "Go Around Technique" used?

or,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Was the "Go Around" performed all the way down the runway, the aircraft gaining twice its TOSS yet only gaining altitude by following the earths curvature until upon reaching the opposing threshold the aircraft suddenly develops an enormous amount of lift, so much lift that the pilots eyeballs are drawn from his body through his rectum thence punching a hole through the fuselage and enabling him to watch as the world dissapears beneath himself and his ego?

YES,,,,,,,,, I Wonder??????

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re: Rude and arrogant at Aldinga

Just had to reply to this one!

"only have ears for the sound of the cash register", "most expensive Avgas around", "don't spend money, not interested in you"

Well after owning a mechanical workshop for half of my life and developing quite an understanding of differing personalities, you sound like just the customer I would like to piss off right back to wherever you came from!

You are probably the sort of person that everybody owes something to, why should you pay to much for your Avgas? What is too much to pay for Avgas? Did you expect to get it for free or did you think that there is some sort of CO-OP that subsidises country airfields to account for people with pockets deeper than an Clydesdales Rectum?

As for the 3 runways in operation, well not sure what your aviation experience is but last time I read the POH for the aircraft I was about to fly I noticed that it had a differing max cross-wind tolerance than others I fly. OH does that mean that in certain conditions I would have to land on a different runway to others? Could a Rex Air SAAB land on one runway where a C152 would have to use another?

YOU BRAINBOX, I bet they were glad to see the back of you!!

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re: Care Needed - John Ryner

"Just stick to rules and you will be OK"...... ????????

I'm sorry,,,,,,,,,,,

Is there something I'm missing here?

Oh, I get it!

Only abide by the rules when visiting certain aerodromes!?!?!? Sounds really sensible or is that MENTAL.

Please post on this website to let us know when and where you plan to aviate so as the rest of us can stay clear,,,

You sound like a complete "TWAT"

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Aldinga Airfield / Adelaide Biplanes by Alex Shearn

I have been flying into and out if Aldinga for some years now and having visited many aero clubs around the eastern seaboard and Tasmania during my time flying surveys I can say that Aldinga is the most welcoming and picturesque airfield I have experienced. Adelaide Biplanes is in fact the only aeroclub I have visited that has a full kitchen on site providing a magnificent selection of home cooked Cakes, Pasties, Sandwiches etc and the best coffee south of Adelaide.

I must say I am suprised by some of the comments on this website as they are definately not in keeping with the reality of what is Adelaide Biplanes. There is an AeroClub on the airfield also, (Aldinga AeroClub), perhaps they are getting the two confused although by the content of the comments that have been made I tend to lean more toward the fact that they have more of a "personal agenda" in mind and I would suggest perhaps even been posted by the same individual!?

After meeting with Martyn (CFI Adelaide Biplanes) it would be clear to anyone that the content of the slander is absolute Tripe!!

As far as the price of AVGAS goes it is getting harder and harder to even get AVGAS at country airfields so to have to pay 10c/L more for the supply is fine by me, apparently they dont push along to well in the air when the fan stops!!!!

Anyways I suggest that people try for themselves. You'll be pleasently suprised and I'm sure you'll want to go back again.

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Gawler Aerodrome

Pricipally a glider aerodrome run by a club.

It has fuel and hot water, nothing else.

If you know someone there by all means visit the place otherwise stay away they do not like visitors.

Having said that once they get rid of the current management comittee it will turn into a nice place, if you think I am wrong or biased then by all means go there

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No AVGAS.

What a dumb idea to run a great big dry Airport.

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Well worth a visit

Great Spot. Fuel. No landing fees. It's a good alternative to Port Augusta. The AP Manager is a top bloke.

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Rude and arrogant at Aldinga

Beware. Rude, arrogant and only have ears for the sound of the cash register.

Don't spend money, not interested in you.

3 runways in operation with bad radio calls. Spent 3 days in South Australia based at Aldinga. Never again.

It is a place waiting for an accident to happen. Bad flying culture.

Got abused by some rude Brit for something perfectly innocent and normal.

Most expensive Avgas around.

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skypig on Aldinga Airport

Arrived at Aldinga area, could not relate to traffic in the circuit as there where 3 runways being used at once.

Finally figured it and joined the circuit for 21. Nearly had a midair with a sports star who did no radio calls.

Aborted and went to Goolwa. Subsequent conversations with other pilots advise bad news in the circuit and dangerous.

Operators refuse to take heed and conduct low level circuits with no radio calls and I am reliably informed that situation is deteriorating.

Strong indications that operators do not want visiting aircraft as visiting pilots have been abused for no real reason.

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great airport

Facilities great. Looked after by the local flying club. Bowser fuel 24/7 at reasonable price and plenty of goodies in the fridge. (pay on an honour system...price list on fridge) Can toast sandwiches, make coffee, soup etc and relax in the lounge. excellent stopover on the way north.

Colin

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facilities

First time on KI. Beaut flight down the coast and across the water. Fantastic runways, even the dirt one but what a big disappointment with the facilities at the terminal. A vending machine and water fountain, and this is supposed to be one of the premier tourist destinations in not only SA but Australia. Whoever is in charge needs to get their act together. Port Pirie which isn't even an RPT airport is streets ahead

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great hospitality

Decided to make another trip down from Parafield via the coast and Coorong as a birthday present for a longtime friend. Circled the town and on landing was greeted by George who thought it would be nice to come out and say g'day. Not only that he gave us a tour of the town showing all the new development taking place and dropped us off at the cafe/restaurant by the lake. Hospitality there fabulous as was the food and view over the lake. Gotta have their burgers. Wandered back up to the main street and rang George to thank him for all he had done and he insisted dropping us back at the strip...only a 15 minute walk anyway. This has to be one of the best kept secrets close to Adelaide. GREAT DAY OUT!

Thanks again...Colin

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Aldinga Airport

I flew into Aldinga today, took a friend for a scenic flight along the coast and dropped in for lunch. I have always found the people to be extremely helpful and friendly. After our lunch we went back to the aircraft only to find it wouldnt start. The people at the airfield could not do enough to help us, finding me a new starter motor and a LAME to install. I cant talk more highly of them. :)

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is it the school?

The school have been dobbed in for flying low circuits, touch and go's and general noise! Have only ever seen l/h circuits. Plus there are no local places to stay/taxi service so while she may have seemed unhelpful she was probably just breaking bad news. Was the fly in organised by adl biplanes or the aeroclub? As they say in thailand same same but different!

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YADG

Went to a fly in with a friend with a keen interest in joining the flying school, they were very rude and arrogant, We paid for a bbq lunch which was 1 snag each and were promptly sent home!There seemed to be some nice people there, but were too busy gossiping. My friend was quite irate at the way we had been treated and will not return. Looking for Nice, Welcoming Flying School.

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Adelaide

and only a few murders every year!

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facilities

June 2011 - Great spot to land and a good spot to stay and enjoy outback hospitality. Warren at the local store is also the refueller and is a top bloke despite what the sign on the door says.

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Facilities

3 good long strips with a little bit of hard standing area. Right on the coast and close to town. Great scenery and only a bit over an hour from Adelaide in a P28A-181. Had a great day out and a lovely feed of fish at the Franklin Hbr hotel.