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lots of training aircraft, this is where Cathay, uni sa, and many other school run out from, 4 strips = 8 runways, most people with private aircraft generally would hanger in this location, has BP av fuel and tankers which cruise around topping up AC, quality ATC as they are used to trainees and are forgiving with poor radio calls, runways are over 1000m so heaps of room for landing

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Avgas availability

What's the Avgas situation. BP Garnett or MasterCard ?

Look forward to dropping in sometime.

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Ground transport

There are NO taxis!!!

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Info

Talk to Peter, PPR.

Land up hill from the river.

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THE BEST

Third Sunday of the month is the time to be there. Morning tea and lunch $15 the lot. Coffee, tea and wine for the non flyers can also be purchased. A truly great bunch of ladies and guys. FANTASTIC facilities.

Colin

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When i was last there about 6 years ago there was a Turbulent cruising around( a very cool old kit built french number if memory serves).. a Super cub , a tiger , a WACKO Waco, A Citabria , A Plastic fantastic sr22 hotrod...a few 172s ,warrioirs arrows etc and a couple of 152s not to mention a swarm of Sportstar (90kt little Polish numbers) ... except the Wacko and Turbulent all were available to hire .... If you like flying cool aircraft check it out . If you dont ... go somewhere else

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Adelaide Biplanes comments.

(Reposted as my earlier post didn't include my name.)

I read the on this thread while researching flying schools before starting lessons some 3 months ago.

I drove to Murray Bridge, and to Parafield, and when I went for a look-see at Aldinga (after the comments below) I expected a frosty welcome, perhaps expensive food, and worse.

What I found instead is a warm family-run business, a guided walk over to the school's aircraft parked across the beautiful lawn area so I could see their quality and equipment, and nothing but respect and warmth.

Of the four schools I visited and spoke with (and I took the TIF with another school), Adelaide Biplanes was by far the most welcoming.

Not only that, their aircraft were the most professionally presented and newer. And also the best priced in the category I'm flying.

I am surprised at the slurs on this page from anonymous posters, and in my eyes that says more about them than the good folks at Adelaide Biplanes.

To anyone else reading this thread, don't accept the comments below as truth - go visit them yourself and make up your own mind.

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Re Adelaide Biplanes.

I read the on this thread while researching flying schools before starting lessons some 3 months ago.

I drove to Murray Bridge, and to Parafield, and when I went for a look-see at Aldinga (after the comments below) I expected a frosty welcome, perhaps expensive food, and worse.

What I found instead is a warm family-run business, a guided walk over to the school's aircraft parked across the beautiful lawn area so I could see their quality and equipment, and nothing but respect and warmth.

Of the four schools I visited and spoke with (and I took the TIF with another school), Adelaide Biplanes was by far the most welcoming.

Not only that, their aircraft were the most professionally presented and newer. And also the best priced in the category I'm flying.

I am surprised at the slurs on this page from anonymous posters, and in my eyes that says more about them than the good folks at Adelaide Biplanes.

To anyone else reading this thread, don't accept the comments below as truth - go visit them yourself and make up your own mind.

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Should one dare?

Why would they "Dob you in"? are you doing something illegal? And how will they "Get you one way or the other"? I will reiterate that your comments are both uneducated and unsubstantiated. . . . How do they not have respect for locals? They have changed circuit patterns to suit, they are running a legal business that brings tourism to the area, and furthermore please state another country airfield that has an equivalent quiver of aircraft as diversified as ABP along with the training to go with it.

To say that radical locals do not want to close the airfield down is false. . . . . I have a feeling that the people venting on this site are in fact the locals that want it shut down. . . . I still have a copy of emails that were sent by Suzi whom she was instructed to apologise for inappropriate comments by the mayor of Onkaparinga.

For the readers and actual pilots of this site please realise that the majority of the negative comments I believe are made are not from actual pilots but from locals trying to shut down the airfield whom have an agenda, they have been both underhanded and dishonest hence they will not put a name to there comments.

Tim Whitrow. 0414468731

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Should one dare.

I note that a recent comment suggest that one should identify oneself on this Aldinga comments site.

Do so and say it as it is and you will have assertive action leveled against oneself by the operators.

They will either cancel a fuel card if one has one which is illegal.

Or

They will find reason to Dob you in.

But rest assured, they will get you one way or the other simply for telling as it is.

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BOLLOCKS

By the Bollocks, they have brought about all these negative comments themselves.

Look at other airports and airfields and there are very few negative comments.

Where there is a lot of smoke, there certainly is a fire.

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Bollocks and Get some balls

Grow up and get some balls has it all wrong.

Adelaide Biplanes had absolutely no respect for the locals.

They came here Pommy Land, Bought the Flying school and within a short period of time where conducting flight activities at all hours and late on Saturday and Sundays with the constant droning of aircraft going round and round and sometimes low level circuits as well.

Anyone living in the vicinity stated getting jacked off.

But they never ever wanted to close the flying school nor the airfield down. That us absolute rubbish to state that.

At the end of the day it was simply and plainly Adelaide Biplanes who have been the root cause of a beautiful country airfield being EPA licensed. That transpired to be the only way to control these inconsiderate operators who have dobbed other aviators in to CASA rather than talk to the person that they, as self appointed industry police, perceived to be doing wrong.

And worse than that , they reported people from other airfields and venues which had absolutely nothing to do with them.

And to Mr Bollocks. The way you are ranting and raving leaves a lot to be desired in your ignorant outlook of the the facts.

As a Adelaide Biplane disciple, you would have blinkers on.

It only takes one to read the majority of comments to form an opinion that the operators at Aldinga have also no respect for Australian Aviators many of whom can fly rings around the bloke from Aldinga.

Remember that within the first year of him coming to Australia from Pommie Land, he stated that Australians have a bad flying culture and that HE was going to change it.

He has alright, which is why the pilots from Adelaide Biplanes are not overly welcome at any of the Flying Venues in South Australia. And that is a fact.

And the other thing which many have experienced, go there and do not put your hand in your pocket for fuel, coffee or cake, you will get the cold shoulder.

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Bollocks

I live IN !! the circuit at YADG.

WTF IS WRONG WITH ALL YOU WHINGING C###s.

Martyn taught me to fly and the method and content has saved my life more than once . Ive seen commercial pilots trained elsewhere that couldnt land a 172 with no cross wind on a 2k bitumen strip. I havent seen him for approx 10 yrs for many reasons and am not a particularly big fan of his crew he has there ... so I dont go there simple ... I am not whinging about it on a public forum .so eat a D### those who will say Im part of ABP... FAR from it .

The bloke can pretty much fly anything Ive seen it!

Lets get to the Point rather than ######g around, all the critics, cynics, whinging di%$s tall poppy knockers , your accusing him of being a casa nazi and its evident why ....you cant fly for shit and your likely going to die or kill someone, hes probably seen it and asked if you would like a refresher or offered to help out and stop you from killing yourself.!! this upset your ###t pilot feelings and your ego starts writing cheques your body and ability CANT CASH! and the B######T begins .

He has skills that are worth learning , he owns a flight training school , Im guessing hes the CFI now ....and coincidentally ...... his son was killed in a aviation accident before the whole families eyes ! due to unskilled unsafe aviation ..SERIOUSLY....WTF do you think the Smiths attitude toward safety is going to be you Dumb ####s. If he was useless and talked ###t then fine ... but hes not so why dont you all grow a set and learn some new skills .

I am far from a amazing pilot but the instinctive core stuff like landing without gear down .......impossible!! I couldnt if i tried..... can all of the critics answer that one ??

Say what you want about this post and me ... IDGAF

I actually thought this site may have info like ...watch out for the South Easterly in late summer evenings . on late finals on 14 in summer keep a little more height over the fence as it always seems to sink.. you can get a taxi from??? you know stuff a pilot would say.... instead its all bollocks ...

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Aldinga Airfield. . . . Grow up and Grow some Balls.

Reading all of these comments for the first time is interesting, Oh and so brave or the Pilots commenting without signing you name to anything. It reminds me of school girls bitching about something they don't like. Seriously I have been Flying out of YADG for 10 years. It is a great local airfield (That is NOT owned and operated by Adelaide Bi-Planes) and If you cant fit in to a circuit that has multiple runways in operation then get some more training it's pretty basic. Right hand circuits are in place to appease the few locals who have tried to shut down the field due to noise. . . whom purchased well after the field was registered and they failed. . . hence the EPA saga, it was there last resort.

The comments about ABP and the EPA are both uneducated and unsubstantiated and I will leave it at that, if you don't know anything about it don't comment on it because you sound like a tit.

The Aviation community is small and we should be all trying to support each other not shit on each other.

Tim Whitrow. Local very bad Pilot who seems to piss everybody off..

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The Worlds Greatest Pilot

Aldinga has the worlds greatest pilot.

Self professed of course.

He was flying his Waco in formation with his Super Cub, which observers believe was carrying too much weight and that the weight and balance would have been way out, when pilot of the Super Cub radioed the worlds greatest pilot and informed him that something was flapping around by the fuel tank.

After some deliberation he informed the Super Cub Pilot that he had left the fuel filler cap off.

It is understood that they were on the way to Kangaroo Island and would have flown over one of the most dangerous stretches of waters in the world .

One trembles when considering what the consequences would have been if the Worlds Greatest Pilot had run out of fuel over those waters.

He hastily returned to Aldinga.

Another chapter in the life of the Worlds Greatest Pilot.

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Reply about Grumpy bloke

Dropped in there on the way to PLC to top up with Avgas.

Bloke getting on a bit helped me top up and I asked if he was "Grumpy"

He laughed and I think that he was quietly taken with it as I explained that I saw this on Our Airports when looking at comments about places to stop on the en route.

Great bloke, friendly and full of information and turns out that he owns the Goolwa aerodrome.

Highly recommend as a staging stop as have now called into both Goolwa and Aldinga and would put Goolwa on top of the list.

Avgas is a bit cheaper, less circuit congestion, less confusion in the circuit as no multiple runways in use.

In my view, a lot safer than flying into Aldinga.

Also some interesting machines there.

Thank you Mr Grumpy.

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I agree

The writer accusing the CFI at Aldinga of being abusive is spot on.This is not the first time as he is well known for his attitude???????against Australian Aviators.

He has also verbally abused others for executing a go around.

Makes one wonder when they are so hell bent on telling everyone how safe they are and how they promote safety.

But, just remember that they can do as they please but that is not applicable to others.

Do not do as we do but do as we say.

Cripes, heard this morning that they charge $290.00 for a 20 min flight in the Tiger Moth. Phew.

Seems that the stories about the ching ching of the cash register are true.

One must remember that profit is not wrong but greed is terrible.

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Another bad review

I had the unfortunate experience of meeting the owner and CFI of Adelaide Biplanes today. He verbally abused me for conducting an overshoot(circuit into a go-around) at a nearby ALA en-route to Aldinga. What on earth is wrong with an overshoot I do not know, but he accused me of a 'beat-up', a totally false and unsubstantiated accusation. He threatened "I'll report you to the ATSB before you can make it back to Parafield". I am lost for words.

Upon some research I came across this thread, and, oh my, it all makes sense. I do have to agree with the comments; it's all happy days as long as long as you're diving into your wallet, until you have a run-in with this guy. Seems like their EPA donation I've been contributing to for a long time is one big lie also. I also agree that their practice of operating on several runways is dangerous.

I've enjoyed going to Aldinga for a long time. I'm a very easy going chap and normally wouldn't let this hold me back, but the consistent comments regarding unfair/false reports to CASA is extremely off-putting.

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Another one

For a Pom who comes to Australia, buys the flying School at Aldinga, calls it Adelaide Biplanes and tells us that Australians have a bad flying culture and that they are going to change it, they are doing really well.

I mean, they must be on first term names with their insurance company as I saw another Sports Star with a mangled prop and damaged on a trailer down south near Goolwa which comes from Aldinga.

So how many is that now that they have stuffed up.

Taxied a Tiger Moth into a PARKED aircraft, stood the super cub on its nose, stalled a Lighting into the ground and how ever many more.

]Not a bad record for someone who says that we in Australia have a bad flying culture and then acts as the industry police and runs to CASA for everything that they think is wrong.

And abuses those who they PERCEIVE doing something wrong as self appointed industry police.

And by the way, the only time that you are treated nicely there is if you put your hand in your pocket and they can hear the Ching Ching of the cash register. Otherwise have no time for one.

People who live in glass houses should never throw stones. Eh.

No wonder there are now many who will not fly in there as who knows what will happen next.

Abused, reported to CASA, prang and treated rudely.

Plus the safest airfield in Australia. Pigs.

Remember that this is all in my opinion only derived from personal experience and observations and what I have witnessed first hand and told and verified by others.

Not a nice place and needs to get the like of the previous operators back theter to return it to the safe friendly place it used to be with the camaraderie that they have destroyed.

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Aldinga airport

A mate and I fly in regularly and have rarely had a problem. Sure they have several runways and may be using more than one- just get situational awareness on the way in, stay above the traffic till you decide your approach-and use your radio!

We enjoy the coffee, the view and the friendship and find the operators and their instructors friendly and helpful.

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Adelaide Biplanes

Browsing thru most of the comments, anyone who has attempted to fly into ADG and have encountered the same problems as many of us have, would have to agree with the negative comments.

Refer to Alex, dated 28 April 2015. "Help a fellow Aussie battler out"

The operator is not an Aussie battler. He is a POM.

I presume that this is to help and contribute towards the Adelaide Biplanes rude collection for monies towards funding the costs of the EPA.

An EPA involvement which Adelaide Biplanes are directly responsible for by exceeding the movement limitations of which they were aware of.

What gets me is that they are asking others to donate to fund their business commitments as they are bound by, as I am led to understand, the shareholder and board resolution which agreed to the license provided that Adelaide Biplanes paid the costs and not the shareholders who did not crate the problem and that a EPA license to exceed the movements is pf no value or

benifit to the shareholders.

Now I have been directed to the Adelaide Biplanes facebook site .

Whilst collecting donations to fund their business, check out the house that they have just built. The "Boathouse" ????????

At what costs. How rude to shove this on facebook whilst asking for donations, even a poster in the woman's loo at ADG asking for donations. What a place to situate that??????

This may explain the csyphe of these people.

The most expensive fuel around. Goolwa good place to fuel if like me flying from Victoria.

As I am told, and research confirms this. the most expensive rates around the flying schools for training or hire and fly.

Profit is good but greed is bad.

I and others now avoid the place like a plague.

Such a shame as has always been a great friendly place in the past with reasonably priced fuel.

Sadly, in my opinion, and as I can gather by the comments, many others, abusive, bad mannered operator and unsafe circuit procedures with multiple runways in use and sometimes no radio calls so totally confusing.

Almost as if they do not want other aviators flying in to ADG as the impression is that they want it all to themselves and others are an imposition.

Flew into Goolwa, Mate picked us up from Adelaide. Took the opportunity to drive to ADG for a look and looks nice but a dead, unfriendly airfield with only some Adelaide Biplane aircraft visible.

Dont spend any monies with them, not at all interested in one.

A dead, no soul, unfriendly airfield.

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Adelaide bi bi planes

In summary it seems YADG is now run by Adelaide Bi planes,its a shame really as now its angry rude and dangerous . Something very wrong here . Used to be safe . Suggest alternate to GOOLWA ..MURRAYBRIDGE. both have avgas and safe circuit activity.

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Where there is smoke, there is a fire

Whow, Have just been browsing the aerodromes in South Australia planning a trip from NSW to WA via S.A.

I planned to stop over at either Goolwa or Aldinga for fuel etc.

I am stunned at all the negative comments about Aldinga whilst the likes of Goolwa and other surrounding airfields have no bad comments.

Seems as if there is smoke there is a fire as if maybe one person posts a bad comment, that would be acceptable as one cannot please everybody.

But having now read all the comments about Aldinga, I would suggest that there may be some serious issues which should be addressed there.

It is not all about coffees and cakes, its about aviation, aviators and their aircraft and needs.

Needless to say, thanks to those who have been upfront enough to inform the rest of us.

I thought that I would pause and phone Goolwa at this stage.

Bloke there will make a vehicle available (No charge) to us if required, and will organize accommodation at our cost. Fair enough.

Solves that. I would rather stop somewhere which does not have the bad feedback and postings like Aldinga.

Sad that, as I flew in there years ago. lovely peaceful country airfield with small office and flying school and such a lovely friendly women who's name my wife tells me was Lorraine???

I guess that at times new ownership with big high flying ideas do not always work out and would suggest that maybe this is the case with Aldinga.

No longer the quint quite lovely place that we found it to be.

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Grumpy bloke

Have found Goolwa a great place to visit.

Great collection of aircraft live there and on days with good weather may see the jets come out, aerobatic mob practicing, war birds, parachutes and so on.

And all interacting with each other safely.

Grumpy old character who owns the airport who is full of character and loves to project this grumpy attitude but is all piddle and wind. Good Ole Boy. Has been very helpful.

Great place to stop for fuel (Less expensive than Aldinga) if passing by from interstate as great coastal flight along the Coorong and river Murray Mouth.

Good maintenance bloke based at Goolwa.

Also in my opinion less hassles in the circuit than Aldinga which can be highly confusing with the low time RAAUS instructors and students.

Have encountered 3 runways in use at Aldinga with woeful radio calls and actually aborted landing there one day and diverted to Goolwa as with 20 plus plus years flying could not make sense of what was going on.

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Aldinga Airfield

Have not looked at this site for a while but pleased to see that finally some are waking up to what Aldinga and the operators of the flying school are actually like..

Not all nice coffee and cakes, in fact, from an aviators point of view who have flown in there for many past years, its gone to the dogs with shocking circuit procedures and running the risk of been abused.

Avgas is about 18 cents more per liter than some other airports who PAY DELIVERY for their avgas.

I make a point of never calling in there for fuel or for any other reason any more unless there is something on at the Aero Club or similar. The Good Ole Boys.

And yes. The low time inexperienced instructors sit on the veranda with their coffees and criticize the landings and take offs of others.

But they will suck in the inexperienced thru their fancy social networking and sadly teach the students their ways.

It is also interesting to note that the operators, nor their students etc are made very welcome around various aviation venues in S.A. Seems that the aviation fraternity have woken up to them. And remember, that some have been around for some time and are highly qualified and respected.

Funny thing. We Australians will always, well at the best of times, extend our hands in friendship to newcomers. But beware when these newcomers bite our hands.

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Aldinga

Wow trained out of Aldinga 15 years ago and had so many fond memories when John white owned the flying school, went back to refuel my Saratoga, Truth lets just say will never return there again thought I was back in Narm place has a horrible feel about it, every move you make you are watched and critersized sorry fellow aviators Yadg not for me happy flying Sam Pope.

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Great Place

Very Good Tidy Clean Airport, And very welcoming bunch of guys, And Friday Coffee Club !!

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Aldinga

Sadly after reading recent posts I must add a quick comment. I recently flew into Aldinga amongst heavy traffic to refuel my PA28 180. Whilst on approach I noticed a speck of oil appear on the windscreen and rather than wait for the traffic to clear after repeated radio calls I took the decision to make a precautionary landing as quickly as possible to investigate the problem.

I made completely sure I was clear of all traffic and landed quickly and safely. Whilst refueling I was approached by a person who identified himself as the owner of the airfield.

This person's manner was both threatening and intimidating and very upsetting for my wife who had very little aviation experience. I had made every effort to do the right thing and was to say the least very surprised that I'd been approached in this manner by a person supposedly in authority at the airfield.

Needless to say I'll be staying well away from Aldinga in the future.

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Adelaide Bi Planes

It matters not what we locals think about the antics at Aldinga Aerodrome.

Adelaide Bi Planes have no respect, no consideration and simply not interested in the well being of any of the locals.

Now they have this collection to fight the EPA. Rude and wrong as from what I believe, Adelaide Biplanes are responsible for the EPA involvement and subsequent requirement for a EPA license. Now they are asking others to pay to for their obligations?????????

I hear that they even have a sign asking for monies in the women's toilet. How rude.

Problem is that they are extremely cunning in their social media presentations and have sucked in so many who do not live in the area with the tea / cake/ coffee / scones etc.

Now the word is that their will be a wine boutique on the Aerodrome. How can that be allowed?????? A booze outlet on a aerodrome????

What else will these people do to attract attention.

Sad day when Adelaide Biplanes came to Aldinga. Very much also the self appointed industry police who have no hesitation in reporting others but can do no wrong themselves according to some in the area.

And Tony, yes I agree. They are annoying to the inth. Particularly in the summer.

Try having a nice BBQ on a Saturday evening, or even Sunday lunch, beautiful views to the sea from the hills and these people go around and around and around with the constant irritating droning and noise, totally destroying the peace and tranquility.

So who allows this mob to carry on like this?

Maybe we should get a petition going to send them to Parafield.

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Adelaide Bi planes

I am a resident of Sellicks Hill and have lived here nearly 30 yrs ,l am not one to stir the pot or carry on unnecessarily , so i would like to think my comments are of a relevant nature.

Up until approximately 2008 the amount of air traffic was totally ok and somewhat enjoyable , but now the constant drone has become a real annoyance . Some days I have counted a minimum of 4 aircraft doing takeoffs and landings continuously during daylight hours not to mention other aircraft coming and going . Im not one to spoil anyones fun but its really got hard to not say anything . My research tells me that theres been restrictions to help improve things but from a residents point of view I cant see any improvement at all .

I have nothing against having a airstrip there and would hate to see it shut but I guess its just a case of " fair go mate " surely Aldinga biplanes could move to somewhere like parafield , this may be a incorrect assumption as I am not a aviator but isnt Parafield there for operations like this ?

Tony , Sellicks Hill

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YADG

Nice tea and scones , a couple of biplanes and a few taildragging aircraft doesnt make up for ridiculous increases in traffic , crowded circuits , 100hr inexperienced RA instructors and rude unsafe radio etiquette . I'm disgusted at whats become of this once fine example of a Australian GA strip .Its been 9 months since I last landed my twin there and until Adelaide Biplanes and their commercial operation leave it will be my last . It saddens me to think that this is somehow what they want , total control of the YADG CTAF . I feel for the original hangar owners who based their aircraft there , lets hope Casa the EPA and the Aldinga Aviation group do the right thing .

And yes I am anonymous. .. Ive been warned of the smear campaign tactics of ABP .

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Still in use?

This airport lies within the RAAF Edinburgh airspace and is no longer in use for general aviation. I guess it would do in an emergency. It is the location of the Bolly Aviation propellor business and still appears to be used by helicopters.

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Wrong location of YKTH

Location of Keith Airstrip YKTH is to the East of the currently marked location in Google Maps. The correct co-ordinates are: 36° 6'47.73"S and 140°15'7.39"E for a North/South Runway - Cheers

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PPR and Landing Fees apply

PPR from Norm Marston 08 8391 1388 and landing fees apply

Runways 14/32 dirt 10/28 grass 17/35 grass

Trikes in circuit, some without radio

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ADG goes EPA

Hello Alex,

I would suggest that seeing as you are from such a far away airfield as Port Macquarie, you should check the true facts before slinging off about, in your opinion, some mean spirited individual(s).

It could be suggested that if you are so learned and are such a expert on the issues at Aldinga, then maybe you can visit Aldinga and solve these issues but only when you have consulted the board, the local residents, shareholders, council and whoever else may need consulting.

You may be surprised at the utter bull that is being circulated, not by the shareholders in general, not by the board but by the very people who are directly responsible for the EPA involvement.

You may then also realize just who needs to wipe their chins.

I agree with the comments below re this "Collection"

It is the opinion of many that this so called donation is wrong as yes, Adelaide Biplanes are not honoring their obligations as per the agreement and resolution passed by the shareholders at the 2014 Company AGM and it is wrong to go to the public to raise monies to support their operation.

The motion re the EPA license at the AGM which was passed by the shareholders was on the definite understanding that the shareholders would not be responsible for any financial costs towards the EPA as it is the flying school, Adelaide Biplanes who in fact caused the problems are the beneficiaries of the EPA license and as such they would pay $1 a movement.

So a circuit is 2 movements which is $2 which was considered acceptable to incorporate this into the Adelaide Biplane charges.

On the strength of this arrangement, the shareholders gave the board the go ahead to spend shareholders funds with regards the EPA issues.

Did Adelaide Biplanes honor this? NO

It then took months to try and recoup any of these shareholders funds from Adelaide Biplanes as they refused to charge the $1 per movement.

Now the understanding is that Adelaide Biplanes have been very magnanimous in charging $1 per circuit instead of $1 per movement and are asking for donations.

Further more, it is not Adelaide Biplanes against the EPA (David and Goliath) nor the little Aussie battler. It is Aldinga Aviation, the shareholders, and the board.

Adelaide Biplanes have nothing to do with it except to pay as per the motion passed by the shareholders at the AGM which they are not doing.

So yes, as per the posting below, they are running a collection which is wrong as they are dodging their obligations.

I would suggest that the reference is directed towards the commercial operators, Adelaide Biplanes.

It is acknowledged by many that the commercial operators (Adelaide Biplanes) are directly responsible for all the problems associated with Council and the EPA.

Alex, whilst one appreciates the comments on this site, it would be great if you got the facts before simply accusing others of posting absolute bullshit.

The shareholders in general, nor the board, spend the time at the airfield as do Adelaide Biplanes and therefore do not have the same contact with others flying in or those who visit the airfield.

Therefore it is those from Adelaide Biplanes who have lots of contact with visitors, students etc and they have the are the ones who are telling all and sundry their side of a story which may in fact be twisted and not portray the real situation which I can assure you, in my opinion and the opinions of a vast majority, is not as it is.

There are many who know the actual facts who do not have to wipe their chins and who are not full of absolute bullshit as you say.

Please get your facts right about this collection. Please get your facts right about the the EPA situation. Please get your facts right about the subterfuge and spin which is being fed about the reasons for this collection and then maybe, just maybe you will see the light with regards to the true facts.

To conclude, I reiterate, why should others pay for Adelaide Biplanes obligations?

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EPA at ADG

I have not looked at this site for ages either.

As I understand. The operators of the flying school are the main reason that ADG had to be EPA licensed.

The airfield was restricted to 20.000 movements a year. When the currant flying school owners took over, they increased the movements, by their own admission, to about 44.000.

The local residents laid complaints about the continual noise and the council referred this to the EPA.

The issues of ADG becoming EPA licensed was the main topic on the agenda at the 2014 AGM. It must be noted that the flying school operators who are also shareholders in the company did not attend. Rather cowardly on their part considering that they caused the problems and for the shareholders to vote for the EPA license would have been to benefit the Flying school as to have unlimited movements and not restricted to the 20.000.

The shareholders as such did not cause the problems and do not benefit in any manner whatsoever to be EPA licenced.

The motion was passed at the AGM to proceed with the EPA on the UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COMMERCIAL OPERATORS WOULD CHARGE $1 per movement to cover the EPA fees and costs. Obviously hence no imposition financially on the shareholders who should not be financially disadvantaged as they were and are not responsible for any EPA costs and nor the reasons for the EPA involvement.

Now the Flying school may be running a scare campaign and are seeking donations to fight the EPA.

I am reliably informed that the company, Aldinga Aviation Pty Ltd, have spent in the vicinity of $30.000 of shareholders monies and that there the cooperation from the flying school was pretty poor until the board actually laid the law down and gave them a 6 month period to get there act together otherwise they could leave.

So in answer to some questions.

The operators who are and have been directly responsible are indeed Adelaide Biplanes.

It was not simply just a aircraft and hanger owner at ADG who set the whole EPA investigation in motion. It was a substantial number of long term residents in the area who were bombarded with the constant noise by the flying school and indeed, it was also Adelaide Biplanes Pilots flying commercial operations for one of the shareholders who without any consideration to the curfew, broke the curfew. Not once but multiple times.

So this so called Donation to put in place by the operator, Adelaide Biplanes, is in fact bullshit.

It is not in place to Help an Aussie Battler.

It is not in place to save the shareholders putting their hands in their pockets.

It is in fact purports to be a Charity when in fact it is a blatant move to not shoulder their obligations as they were the ones who were and are responsible for the problems as was recognized by the shareholders at the AGM and the resolution was passed to proceed with the EPA on teh absolute understanding that they would meet the costs.

So this so called call for help and donate is simply put, not honoring their obligations and nor meeting with the resolution passed by the shareholders.

I trust that this clarifies the situation.

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ADG goes EPA

Haven't looked at this site for a while but have to say that I am not surprised that the same mean spirited individual appears to be still attempting to bolster his own ego by posting absolute bullshit with regard to Aldinga Airfield and "the operators".

Who are "the operators" you refer to in your posts.

Are they the operators "in general", of aircraft at Aldinga Airfield, or is there someone more specific you direct your comments toward?

Your comments seem quite cowardly actually!

Correct me if I am wrong but was it not a shareholder of the airfield who set the whole EPA investigation in motion some years ago now, complaining about the noise of aircraft taking off and landing at the airfield? The same share holder who in fact owns, hangars and operates their own aircraft from Aldinga Airfield. Is this the operator your comments refer to?

I operate from Port Macquarie airport in northern NSW and we have a curfew for operations due to noise unsettling the surrounding dwellings. Could it be a similar curfew the EPA would impose on Aldinga Airfield? Would that still mean Aldinga Airfield was the only airfield with such a restriction? What a load of bollocks!

As for "shareholders expense in terms of rules, regulations, impositions, restrictions, pending fines and whatever else the EPA can come up with", surely the only expense arising from the aforementioned would in fact be a breach of any condition imposed by the EPA, would it not? Surely the EPA don't just "come up with" things! Do they?

If there were a breach of any such condition imposed by the EPA, would this breach and any monetary penalty associated with it be the liability and therefore the responsibility of the individual or operator who was responsible for the breach? If this is the case, then how are the shareholders responsible for anything but their own breaches of any such conditions imposed?

There is an Aldinga Airfield EPA Challenge online fund raising effort, put in place by "an operator" at Aldinga Airfield which seems to be to raise funds to challenge the EPA. Would this be "the operator" you refer to? Seems to me they are attempting to raise funds in an effort to save "shareholders" having to put their hands in their pockets to assist.

Here's the link in case you are wanting to donate. Might make you feel better if you choose to do or say something positive, or even help a fellow Aussie Battler out!

http://www.gofundme.com/ujf7w5w/share/gfm/16_fb_px_l?

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I look forward to reading your next compilation of complete and utter bullshit and would love to sit down and have a chat with you one day if I'm down Aldinga way, I'll keep an eye out for you, should be easy to spot unless you wash your chin that day.

Cheers

Alex

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CTAF

Note that YGWA has its own CTAF frequency- 126.95

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ADG goes EPA

The operators who continually breached the agreement of 20,000 movements p.a. ( Over 40,000 movements, in breech of the act) applicable to the airfield, have now been the main reason that the airfield has to have an EPA license.

What a disaster and what a tragic result and sad result for a beautiful country airfield. All in the name of the dollar and at every other shareholders expense in terms of rules, regulations, impositions, restrictions, pending fines and whatever else the EPA can come up with.

This will now be the only EPA licensed airfield in South Australia. A Government Environment Protection Dept.

It makes one wonder what compensates for greed? At the imposition and impact on others airfield users who did not violate the rules and therefore are not responsible for this airfield now to be forced to be EPA licensed.

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re: He's at it again.......

Just reading the blogs. It would be laughable about the comment interesting if it were not true.

Sadly, what was stated is true plus a lot of the other blogs about the airfield and its operators.

Most expensive fuel and most expensive instructional rates.

The good comments are possibly posted by the operators or their stooges.

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Aldinga airfield, Adelaide Biplanes

Well said. a great location and welcoming crew. you will not be disappointed if you either drive or fly in here. if you are thinking of tail dragger training, this is the place to go. Probably the best range of tail draggers in Australia. minimal traffic, short hop to the training area, minimal wasted time in the circuit or on the ground. good value for money.

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judge for yourself

This message is for anyone who is thinking about visiting Aldinga or doing flight training with Adelaide Biplanes. In short, don't listen to anything you read on here, instead go and judge for yourself. These comments give a very false view on what really happens at Aldinga. The vast majority find it to be a great airfield, home to a very professional flight school with a great array of different aircraft. A significantly better option both in terms of cost and quality than anything you will find at Parafield. This is coming from someone who has trained at Aldinga after trying many different options.

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Still at it?

To paraphrase Barack Obama, "when ignorant people publicly display their ignorance, you don't have to say too much, just let them run their mouths.."

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He's at it again.......

Laughable!

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Interesting

Mmmm. Reading all the blogs it would seem that there are a number of SOB's with nothing to do.

In fact, I am one of those SOB's and do know 5 other SOB's who have said it as it is.

Perhaps if the operators at Aldinga would take note, and undergo a Anal Optasectomy to sever the optic nerve between their backsides and eyeballs they may have a better outlook on life and stop poohing on others nor acting as they are Gods gift to the Australian Aviation Industry.

Many airman died to protect their Pommie island. Poms, Canadians, Americans, Cheks, Poles, South Africans, New Zealanders and Australians.

( Perhaps they should remember that the POMS did not really win, the Germans lost)

And then when the flying Club at Aldinga celebrated the Battle of Brittan, one of then came running out of their sacred ground and abused the Flying Club members in front of everyone as they did not like the flying. Strange is it not, when you think that they would be thankful that their sorry bum was saved by so many who sacrificed their lives for them. They are a weird mob alright. So I, as others will, will wonder just who real the SOB's are.

Live in a glass house, should not throw stones lady as when someone throws a stone back you scream foul??????So when you bow out and start showing some respect to the Australian Aviators and stop slagging them and running to CASA then just maybe, you may just start earning some respect from the real aviators in Australia. If that is possible. So go away and start calling us who say it as it is some worse names than SOB. Oh and by the way, the biggest stone thrower and dobber at Aldinga cannot even fly an aircraft. How good is that?

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He's at it again.

Poor SOB has nothing better to do with his time.

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Strange

Seems strange that one soul with nothing to do is accused of ALL the negative postings about Aldinga when one only has to read the postings to understand that there is without doubt more than one soul with nothing to do posting comments. Postings that say it as it is about the joint based and with facts and Truth.

Facts and Truths by aviators who have been burnt and at times abused by the operators, tenants at that.

The present operators have turned Aldinga into a beautiful place but it is sadly tarnished by their crappy outlook towards most aviators in South Australia and not to mention their self appointed Industry Policeman attitude and are quick to run to the Authorities and Dob people in.

Sadly the bad attitude toward Australian Aviators seems to stem from one twisted soul who think that they own the place.

Aldinga is owned by a Company, Aldinga Aviation Pty Ltd, comprised of shareholders and these righteous people only lease the premises to operate the Flying School which as many of us understand that they regard Australian Aviators as having a bad culture and the bloke has come to Australia from the great? United Kingdom and has clearly stated that Australians have a bad flying culture and that he intends to change it. Strange that is it not? Clearly demonstrates their Attitude.

Oh and by the way, the posting re Local Accommodation and Dining facilities has the hallmark of the coffee shop owner. Self praise and self promotion.

Pilots beware of the smiling assassins in life. Milk you for your quid and than stab you in the back.

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Local accomodation and dining possibilities

Sent some friends there. they flew in and had booked at the Victory Hotel at Sellicks Hill, only a few miles away. this pub is well known around Adelaide for it's cellar and meals and now it has a B&B as well. my friends flew in and were picked up by the pub manager. they apparently had a great time, fantastic food and a huge choice of wines from the cellar. i gather the accomodation was good also. other friends have been to the Victory and bumped into Ray Martin and Sir David Attenborough and their wives dining there??

with regard to the airfield itself. probably the best coffee and home made cakes etc. you will ever find at any airport in Australia. great location, nice people.

ignore any BS you see here, it comes from one unfortunate soul who has nothing better to do.

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Aldinga Flying Ops

Whow, the word is now that the operator of the flying school is conducting both joy flights in his Bi Plane in Cahoots with the Southern Peninsula Tourism organization as well as Aerobatic flights whilst knowingly suffering from a Medical heart condition.

Is this true? Is this possible with the CASA watchdogs? Or is it possible that they do not know and that the dude has not been fully honest with the CASA doctors?

If this is so, why does he not display a sign in the cockpit "You fly at your own risk in this aircraft as the Pilot has a Medical Condition"

These are the rumors going around and given the Smiths total disregard towards the Aviation Industry in Australia by constantly reporting others to CASA, it may be that he is attempting to divert attention from himself?

He reportedly collapsed and fell over a number of times and was hospitalized and rumor says that he flies with a pacemaker, commercially.

If this is all true, which reports say it is, then how is it that he is able to operate as a single pilot in command?

Maybe Smith should clear this up tell us and put these rumors to bed. That is if they are only rumors and not fact.

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